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Dials on Antique Seth Thomas 30 Hour Brass Movement Weight Clocks

Summary of dial types in chronological order:

The very earliest dials, ca. 1842 - 43 have two characteristics:

Dial Examples In Chronological Order

Ca. 1842 - 1843

1842 dial 1842 dial corner

Ogee case, made in Plymouth Hollow, glasses puttied in.

Dial: metal, two rings drawn around time track, dots for minute marks.

Early features: tapered 3, 4 and 8, small winding holes (8.2 mm).

Early corner decorations with many brush strokes forming the small leaves.

Label: printed by Elihu Geer, Hartford, Connecticut, no address given. This dates it to 1842 - 1845

Ca. 1842 - 1843

1842 dial 1842 dial corner

Dial: metal, two rings drawn around time track, dots for minute marks. Notice it has the same corner decorations the earliest wooden dial below.

Early features: tapered 3, 4 and 8, small winding holes (8.2 mm).

This dial was purchased with its original Seth Thomas movement at a flea market.

Ca. 1842 - 1843

1842 dial 1842 dial corner

Ogee case, made in Plymouth Hollow, glasses puttied in.

Dial: metal, two rings drawn around time track, dots for minute marks.

Early features: tapered 3, 4 and 8, small winding holes (8.2 mm).

Label: printed by Elihu Geer, Hartford, Connecticut, no address given. This dates it to 1842 - 1845.

It is interesting that the earliest dials on the Seth Thomas one day brass clock were painted metal. Why did wooden dials appear for a short time around 1845? It may be that they were left over stock from the wooden movement clocks, which were discontinued in 1844 or 1845. This is the theory that Richard Tjarks and I have come up with, please if you can provide any information about this. If you have a Seth Thomas wooden movement ogee clock, so we can compare the dials and case.

Ca. 1845

1845 dial 1845 dial corner

Ogee case, original mirror lower glass, made in Plymouth Hollow, glasses puttied in.

Dial: wood, early type with two rings drawn around time track, dots for minute marks. Width 9 1/16", height 8 5/8".

Label: printed by Elihu Geer, Hartford, Connecticut, no address given. This dates it to 1842 - 1845.

Ca. 1845

1845 dial 1845 dial corner 1845 dial nameplate

Ogee case, made in Plymouth Hollow,glasses held with wood strips.

Dial: metal, two rings drawn around time track, dots for minute marks.

Early features: tapered 3, 4 and 8, small winding holes (8.2 mm).

Unusual feature: brass nameplate with S. THOMAS PLYMOUTH CONN U S A

Label: printed by Elihu Geer, Hartford, Connecticut, no address given. This dates it to 1842 - 1845.

1845 - 1846

1845 dial 1845 dial

Ogee case, replacement mirror (but it originally had a mirror), made in Plymouth Hollow, glasses held with wood strips.

Dial: wood, two rings drawn around time track, dots for minute marks. Width 8 1/2", height 8 9/32". (Has unusual feature of two rings drawn around the center opening.)

Label: printed by Elihu Geer, Hartford, Connecticut, 26 State Street. This dates it to 1845 - 1846.

1852

1852 dial 1852 dial corner

Ogee case, made in Plymouth Hollow, glasses held with wood strips.

Dial: metal, one ring drawn around minute marks, dots for minute marks. Winding holes 9.8 - 10 mm diameter.

Label: printed by printed by Geo D. Jewett's Steam Job Card, and Book Printing House, 26 State Street Second Floor, Hartford, Conn. Probable date 1852.

1850 - 1855

1850 dial 9152 dial cornet

Half column case type one, made in Plymouth Hollow, glasses held with wood strips. Tablet is a reproduction of the original (the original has all the paint missing, but a faint outline of the pattern was visible in the glass).

Dial: metal, one ring drawn around minute marks, dots for minute marks. Winding holes 9.3 mm diameter.

Label: Steam Press of Elihu Geer, No. 10 State Street, First Story, Hartford, Conn. Date 1850 - 55

Date Unknown

dial date unknown dial corner date unknown

Dial: metal, one ring drawn around minute marks, dots for minute marks.

1850 - 1855

1850 dial 1850 dial corner

Half column case type one, made in Plymouth Hollow, glasses held with wood strips.

Dial: metal, one ring drawn around minute marks, dots for minute marks.

Label: Steam Press of Elihu Geer, No. 10 State Street, First Story, Hartford, Conn. Date 1850 - 55

Late Plymouth Hollow Era, Date Unknown

dial dial

OG case, label printer missing.

Dial: metal, one ring drawn around minute marks, dots for minute marks.

1855 - ca. 1860

1855 dial 1855 dial corner

Half column case type two, made

Dial: metal, one ring drawn around minute marks, dots for minute marks. Winding holes about 9.5 mm in diameter.

Label: Steam Press of Elihu Geer, 16 State Street, Hartford, Conn.

Ca. 1860 - 1865 (Late Plymouth Hollow era)

Dials have lines instead of dots for the minute marks.

Thomaston

Thomaston dial Thomaston dial corner

Dial: metal, lines for minute marks, embossed chapter ring, painted corner decorations.

This type of dial introduced in late Plymouth Hollow era (ca. 1862?).

Thomaston

Thomaston dial

Dial: metal, lines for minute marks, embossed chapter ring, no corner decorations.

This type of dial is shown in the "1892 and 1893" Seth Thomas catalog (reprinted by Adams Brown, 1975).

Thomaston

Thomaston dial Thomaston dial logo

Dial: metal, lines for minute marks, embossed chapter ring, no corner decorations, ST logo above "6". winding holes 10 mm diameter.

This type of dial is shown in the 1879 Seth Thomas catalog and in the 1884-5 Seth Thomas catalog (both reprinted by American Reprints Company).

Thomaston

Thomaston dial

Dial: metal, flat, printed, with ST logo below "12".

Late dial.

An article in the NAWCC Bulletin states that William B. Fenn, a dial and tablet painter, worked almost exclusively for Seth Thomas from 1840 to about 1863. It would be interesting to know if he painted some of the corner decoration in the earlier dials illustrated above.

"How To Do It, Let's Do Some Reverse Painting on Glass", Mrs. G. E. Vandervort, NAWCC Bulletin, Volume 10, No. 12, Whole Number 106, pp. 977 - 981.

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